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On reading gay stuff into mileus where such concepts did not exist

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https://crevicesinmysoul.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-gay-angle-in-padmaavat/

 

This is not to say men who were attracted to men did not exist. They have existed since at least the dawn of agriculture in humankind. The definition of gay=attracted to men(and a community that defined itself like that) arose in only the 1920s-1930s Anglo-European world. Before that,there were people attracted to men in the US who would fuck straight men(or as the slang went, ‘trade’). Then people who had feminine mannerisms,and dressed such. Men who fucked other men. None of them came under that modern ‘gay’ label(as defining oneself/having an identity based on the sex one is attracted to). I am basing this on my reading of Foucault and George Chancey’s Gay New York:Gender,Urban Culture and the making of the Gay male world 1890-1940.

Secondly,I would find it grossly wrong to elevate a engendered in a situation like that-Would you endorse buying someone as your property,cutting off his balls and using him as your toy for sexual satisfaction?That’s essentially how the relationship began. There are better gay icons/icons with ambiguous sexuality in the past to look forward to,like Walt Whitman,etc.

The devī of the 15th śloka of the Saundaryalaharī

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Inspired from here https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/trikas-para-devi-in-saundaryalahari/

 

This very same devī is mentioned in the Kashmirian Pañcastavī thus(from the 7th or 8th śloka of its first canto,Laghustavī)

वामे पुस्तकधारिणीमऽभयदां साक्षस्रजं दक्षिणे
भक्तेभ्यो वरदानपेशलकरां कर्पूरकुन्दोज्ज्वलां।
उज्जृम्भामुजपक्त्रकान्तनयन स्निग्ध प्रभा लोकिनीं
ये त्वामऽम्ब न शीलयन्ति मनसा तेशां कवित्वं कृतः॥

Aruṇa-sarasvatī(of the 16th śloka of the Saundaryalaharī)

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Here our Acharya is actually invoking the eight armed Goddess: with bow, arrow, noose and spear (mistranslated; should be goad/a~nkusha) (that go with Kameshvari) in four of the hands and with varam, abhayam, aksha-mAlA and book (that go with Sarasvati) in the other four hands. This is the aruNa-Sarasvati with eight hands, talked about by our elders.
Translation of Kañcī Paramācārya’s discourses on the Saundaryalaharī(link to the part in question). 

The image below is an outline, imagine Her to be of the colour of the red sun in the morning. (The sunrise pic isn’t mine.) 


Roles

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https://twitter.com/RetiredSOBL1/status/898550030516105216

This same propaganda he is talking about—a similar flavour is being peddled to our kids in the US . Brahmins,males are the roots of all the evils in the world(of course it’s obvious it’s just a byword for Hinduism)(Not withstanding most of this girl’s assertions being untrue and stereotyped—here the stereotype is the social scientist/Indologist’s stereotype,hence progressive and right).

https://twitter.com/pallavi_rao/status/898070654553030656

A sample of Anglospheric/Anglospheric-inspired propaganda internalized noted in the above tweet series of this Rao girl.

https://twitter.com/RetiredSOBL1/status/898552433147695104

In India,they are being continuously run down by the force of the law[minority ones get the exemption]. See government takeover of temples,etc. And laws like Devendra Fadnavis’ anti-boycott law make it more difficult to have autonomy to expel hostile elements(realitycheckind’s phrasing).

Bad arguments

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Tunku Varadarajan, I want you to argue to Jews that they should give up worshipping Yahweh alone because ancient Israelite relgion was polytheistic and see what they say. That’s how scholarly,yet bad,your arguments are in this article of yours.

More on this have been dealt by better folks than me elsewhere.

Confusing the sthūla and the sūkṣma

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Many Hindus,as a friend noted,have a tendency to confuse the sthūla with the sūkṣma even in matters of directions of narrative weaving and geopolitics when it comes to narratives of our history,and the core reasons behind them. A particular example is the tendency to freak out on any suggestion that Aryans migrated to India(never mind that the seeing of the mantras of the śruti occurred all within the Indian subcontinent,which no one can deny). Of course,the (understandable) reason for the uneasiness with this is that it is used as a stick to beat Hindus with,calling them murderous Nazis,invaders,racial bigots(or some form of that) from the very beginning of their existence(or theses that extend in that direction). Most of them do not notice that even if OIT was proved beyond any doubt,the direction of the narratives purveyed by mlecchas and those who imbibe their ideologies would not change one bit at all. They will still continue to either blame brahmins or the entire society. Two examples in case would be DD Kosambi,who(along,or despite,or because of his belief in the fact that Indo-Iranians came from outside),noted about the genesis of brahmins

It seems that Kosambi was a little uncertain about the origin of the brahmanas, but he firmly and consistently held that they originally belonged to non-Aryan cultures and were very probably drawn from the Indus valley priests.[1]

None of this prevented him from calling the intellectual production of āstika brahmins and everyone else like that of a mistletoe,which was beautiful but parasitic.

Or Hegel,who held an Out of India theory,but whose descriptions of Hindu philosophy are a manual on how to misinterpret and misunderstand Indian philosophy.

What needs to be needed is a properly oriented narrative,regardless of whether it is established that the descendants of Indo-Iranians/Indo-Aryans populated India or the Indian subcontinent was the Urheimat of the Indo-Europeans.

 

On the lakṣaṇa of ‘gauḥ’,setting aside pseudo-science

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The lakṣaṇa of ‘gauḥ’ in Hindu tradition is to be determined by seeing what our pūrvācāryas have commented on this,and not on pseudoscientific nonsense like ‘desi cows are associated with gold nanoparticles’, ‘A2/A1 milk’,etc.

“gōḥ sāsnādimattvaṁ lakṣaṇam” has basically been the definition since the time of Pātañjali (of mahābhāṣya fame).

Vidyāraṇya similarly quotes Pātañjali thus

tathā cōktaṁ bhagavatā patañjalinā mahābhāṣyē – atha gaurityatra kaḥ śabdō yēnōcyaritēna sāsnāmāṅgūmakakudakhuraviṣāṇānāṁ saṁpratyayō bhavati saḥ śabdaḥ

So ,our ‘gauḥ’ is any breed of cow that is humped with horns,and with a dewlap and tail. And not about A1,A2(I don’t think the rājan bhadravarman of champa near Vietnam,who was a śrotiya and boasted of performing vaidika rituals could have checked for A1/A2 or gold nanoparticles).

I discussed with others (like Hariprasad),who noted that there is no strong reason to deny respect to cows of foreign breed since they are all of the same jāti,one can at best to say that there is tārātmy within breeds of cows and that foreign breeds of cows have less abhimāni devatā sannidhyam. Also,we have consumed their milk for whatever reasons,so not slaughtering them and taking care of them till their death should be our way of showing upakāra smaraṇam.

Abraham and his sons(also the secularized ones and others bearing that imprint)-a skeleton of some aspects of their modus operandi

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Their religions is the perfect means-and this is the most important-the perfect means of making certain they will suffer persecution. To some extent,their success depends on their cunning on having themselves seen as persecuted,to the extend to being martyred. Hideyoshi understood this.

By perpetually whining that they are a poor,helpless,persecuted minority,they effectively disguise their real power and their success in wrapping their tentacles around their victims,and by exciting the pity of the soft-headed and soft-hearted heathen/<insert other functional equivalent>,they can use them as weapons against the others.

By establishing a reputation for being persecuted for their religion by those awfully wicked pagans(tm),they can make it seem that they,poor innocents,are suffering for their piety(secular:virtue/whatever value is in fashion) whenever their depradations and malvolence have so exasperated their victims that the latter try by legislation or violence to free themselves from the aliens who are persecuting and oppressing them.

Their religion,as presented to us heathens/<insert functional equivalent>,seems to validate their arrogant claims/boasts of a certain peculiar righteousness/<insert secular versions>,make possible their subversion of us and our eventual destructions possible. A lot of them operate also by discovering and exploiting causes of dissent within societies,inciting classes and comparable groups within the societies to reciprocal antagonism,and excaberating the rivalries to civil-war tier,until the nation is paralyzed and reduced to masses of individuals who no longer feel they have anything in common except the geographical territory they inhibit. A large part of this,as explained by Herbert Aptheker consists in finding sections of heathens who can be isolated from the rest of the society on the basis of some economic,occupational,regional,cultural,sexual,or even jāti interest they have in common,persuading them that they are ‘oppressed’ by the wicked society,inciding them to hatred of their ‘oppressors’,and making them greedy for the profits they think they can gain by ‘demanding their rights’,and them setting each group against all others until the nation is paralyzed by pseudo-legal contentions that may end in civil wars,massacres,and a decline to utter barbarism. These Abrahamists love to wail they are a ‘persecuted minority’,with a passion for ‘justice'(or virtue,or education,etc etc),and are thus ideally prepared to incite the ‘underprivileged’ to outbreaks for ‘social justice’. These instruments work by educational means,by means of various NGOs and foundations,and often receive money openly from them,though they get some hired or light-headed members of each group they are inciting to what,ultimately,will be their self-destruction.

 

Christian hypocrisy

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[Archived on Internet Archive and archive.is].

 

They do this the same to Hindus,and invent secular justifications for this by funding various malafide NGOs and other places.(To see them in action, see @by2kaafi on Twitter). Here it is the same case of the Mosaic distinction being turned onto other groups seen as ‘less Christian’. However,since we are outrightly not monotheists,the distinctions of all the children of Abraham will always be against us.