A thread by @zeneraalstuff
Their religions is the perfect means-and this is the most important-the perfect means of making certain they will suffer persecution. To some extent,their success depends on their cunning on having themselves seen as persecuted,to the extend to being martyred. Hideyoshi understood this.
By perpetually whining that they are a poor,helpless,persecuted minority,they effectively disguise their real power and their success in wrapping their tentacles around their victims,and by exciting the pity of the soft-headed and soft-hearted heathen/<insert other functional equivalent>,they can use them as weapons against the others.
By establishing a reputation for being persecuted for their religion by those awfully wicked pagans(tm),they can make it seem that they,poor innocents,are suffering for their piety(secular:virtue/whatever value is in fashion) whenever their depradations and malvolence have so exasperated their victims that the latter try by legislation or violence to free themselves from the aliens who are persecuting and oppressing them.
Their religion,as presented to us heathens/<insert functional equivalent>,seems to validate their arrogant claims/boasts of a certain peculiar righteousness/<insert secular versions>,make possible their subversion of us and our eventual destructions possible. A lot of them operate also by discovering and exploiting causes of dissent within societies,inciting classes and comparable groups within the societies to reciprocal antagonism,and excaberating the rivalries to civil-war tier,until the nation is paralyzed and reduced to masses of individuals who no longer feel they have anything in common except the geographical territory they inhibit. A large part of this,as explained by Herbert Aptheker consists in finding sections of heathens who can be isolated from the rest of the society on the basis of some economic,occupational,regional,cultural,sexual,or even jāti interest they have in common,persuading them that they are ‘oppressed’ by the wicked society,inciding them to hatred of their ‘oppressors’,and making them greedy for the profits they think they can gain by ‘demanding their rights’,and them setting each group against all others until the nation is paralyzed by pseudo-legal contentions that may end in civil wars,massacres,and a decline to utter barbarism. These Abrahamists love to wail they are a ‘persecuted minority’,with a passion for ‘justice'(or virtue,or education,etc etc),and are thus ideally prepared to incite the ‘underprivileged’ to outbreaks for ‘social justice’. These instruments work by educational means,by means of various NGOs and foundations,and often receive money openly from them,though they get some hired or light-headed members of each group they are inciting to what,ultimately,will be their self-destruction.
The question on how to interact with Westerners or even those who are deeply influenced by post-enlightenment,Christianized ideals is an important one to deal with. How should they be accepted in sampradAyas/institutions belonging to sampradAyas?
From my brief survey of some institutions,the institutions that have heavily accepted westerners have had massive degradations that have negatively affected the sampradAyas overall. Like ISKCON and the insiduous Abrahamic strains(like suggesting that jIvas fall from vaikunTha,despite baladeva’s bhASya on the last sutra of the brahma-sutras,and too many other things that can’t be spoken about here now and the other splinter groups. Or Yogananda distorting the Kriya Yoga paramparA.
From these examples(one may also refer to the mass influx of Jatts within Sikhi or briefly the post Banda Bahadur period to note that mass influx of people who haven’t had a perparatory period isn’t really a helpful thing). On the other hand,we also have to contend that we really can’t stay shut up in cocoons in the West all the time. Still,we have to deal with its secularizing tendencies while we are there. We’re losing both our men to its secularism and our women to both secularism and marriage to other traditions,which very frequently result in a much reduced ability to pass down our traditions to our children.
This is a problem,which doesn’t seem to have any easy solution,frankly. The most successful and orthodox orgs in the West seem to have been those related with the Saiva Siddhanta Church(not that I am recommending or pushing for them,anyway). A few disciples of Swami Dayananda maybe also? Maybe one or two students of Lakshman joo? We don’t even have the fire of Sridhar Ketkar who married a Jewish wife,bringing her into the Hindu fold.
Rupa Goswami’s advice : saGga-tyAgo vidUreNa bhagavad-vimukhaira janaiH/ziSyAdy ananuvandhitvaM mahArambhAdy anudyamauH (One should keep a distance from those who are averse to the Lord, avoid accepting too many disciples(emphasis mine) and not be overly enthusiastic about initiating great projects) seems to ring truer than ever.